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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:57:00 -
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Hello and welcome to future features that need to be discussed now instead of after the fact.
IRC has gotten bored to the point we're arguing about features that don't exist yet.
Newest Hot Button Topic is Drones.
This is however taking in the nature of New Eden Drones used in warfare has been long standing in lore, practiced in eve, and some fear an eventuality in Dust 514. So this is why this discussion is needed now.
First I'll present several types of drones we can then decide where to go from there of what is acceptable and isnt acceptable.
All Drones
All Drones will have HP and should be destroyable by various means including Flux Grenades and weapons fire.
Drones give positions away better when fired or deployed.
Drones will eat bandwidth regardless as do new weapons or new modules will
Drones should be a seperate skill group increasing thier Control, HP, endurance, range, and effects, as well as types.
Drones unless specified should cost isk per loss and cannot be restocked mid combat.
Type I 'Shot Type'
Counts as ammo, these drones are fired from weapon systems and deliver damage over time instead of instantly, they have range and life time issues, long range shots barely do damage while shorter range shots do more damage overall but run the risk of not doing enough damage against target in time to save the operator. These will be tied into the weapon operator skills and not drone skills. Can also be found in mines and as like all drones can be destroyed by placed shots for flux grenades.
Type II 'Slave Type'
Slave Drones follow the owner once deployed and provide support automatically. They're a second hand. This was a well argued against type declariing that skillless players would just rack up free kills or free points. An unarmed drone is more appealing in this aspect if it was logistical based or recon based. These drones however make the profile of the player larger, may not keep up with the player, and many other short falls includeing being destroyed. Once destroyed the owner cannot deploy again without refreshing (dying) the equipment slot.
Type III 'Puppet Type'
Puppet drones are what they sound like, when deployed the player uses a remote to control them thus FPS from the drone's point of view. What functions they may have may have is wide ranged from just plain recon to remote missile to weaponized platform. This leaves the operator vunerable to being attacked during this time but this may encourage lame remoting attacking from red line to get targets that cant shoot him back. solutionizing would involve range limiting, and signature increasing the operator during this time also any drone that gets disconnected before returning to operator would be lost.
Type IV 'Sentinel Type'
Sentinel Type drones are MCC commander deployed drones and have various functions. They are similar to most MCC calldown items requires WPs to deploy and have to be build ahead of time even possibly outfitted. They are possibly the closest thing to a MCC commander avatar on the field and are by no means powerful, however sentinels are an active command component able to get the MCC pilot to assist his troops more directly with a unit able to keep up with forces instead of deploying turrets, crus, and supply depots or approving vehicle requests and oprtial strikes. However unlike the Puppet Drone the MCC command can only direct the location of the Drone and what mode its set in (passive/active)
Sentinels can come in many shapes and sizes and have limited room for defense and self repairs if its allowed fitting. They can be as large as HAVs.
and now the argument
So thats the possible types of drones we could expect. So now up for the arguments presented so far.
I'll continue to edit this list as you discuss this amongst yourselves. Feel free to pick up any of the mention angles below for your argument as well or take any one of the types above and explain why you think its a good or bad idea.
For
Cool Factor
Sci-fi universe with ground attack drones already, why not?
Further stresses limit slot fittings more making decision things to fit much more involved.
Increasing Options and tactical game play.
Rewards Thinking out of the box.
Creates a new function for certain weapons and fits such as AVs able to lock drones
Increases market item competition
Gives options to the Gallente and Amarrian Races for future options factional symetry between races.
Adds skill additional debt to prevent cappers from happening.
New weapon system with its own take of damage delivery with weaknesses and strengths.
Additional Isk Sink
Against
Encouarges cowardice
Does not reward skill in some cases
Free Points
Free Kills
AI Control bad for FPS 'competitive' shooters
Killstreak-itis (not that OBs and Calldowns are not already part of that)
AIs outperforming thier users
Ai or stats issued to the drones are not worth the slot costing. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.24 06:27:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:meh im against drones
kz2 anyone? lol when those bots were buffed they got more kills than the avg player and could snipe u across map with headshots
im ok with maybe a recon drone like a MAV or sum
Not to question your reading ability but is that drones all together or the 'slave type' which is probably the closest to the kz2 ones. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:11:00 -
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Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar wrote:For drones I think speculation is pointless as of the moment. Might as well wait till they come out and do some major stress tests on the buggers. Just my personal take on the matter.
Not really speculation more of a formation of concensus of what people think of drones. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.24 13:34:00 -
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Drones in eve can be any size though The smallest of them can insert themselves into your body and cause an unbelievable amounts of unplesantries. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:41:00 -
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Drones however have been persistently mentioned in ground combat nearly hundreds of times. Gallente over use them still for the mere fact they only have volunteer army and is probably the smallest military out of all empires. Also we already have some drones in the game already we just coviently place them into very small canisters and emitters.
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